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[Ruth Participant]

I am wondering whether anyone has run the Community Project in Year 3 of MYP over a longer period of time (8 months) using FOSIL as a frame. We have been running the Community Project for a number of years with very mixed outcomes both in terms of the action the students carry out out the skills I feel they are learning. This is not part of my remit but I do have a very good relationship with the MYP co-coordinator and the Assistant Head involved and I would like to suggest the radical new approach of hanging the whole project on FOSIL rather than on the Investigate, Plan, Act Reflect phases of the IB but since we have to mark the work according to that scheme I would need to track back to this for staff.

I wondered if anyone else has done this already or is working on something similar at the moment?

Thanks,

Ruth

[Ruth Participant]

Thank you for sharing this Darryl,

I have in turn shared it with out AI working party along with some slides from a very interesting IB presentation given over Easter in which they referred to the MAiLS (Machine Agents in Learning Scale) More information about this can be seen in this article by Carolus et al.(2023)(MAILS – Meta AI literacy scale: Development and testing of an AI literacy questionnaire based on well-founded competency models and psychological change- and meta-competencies)

It is indeed this question of cognitive offloading that has always been for me at the core of my thinking about AI and at the heart of where our thinking is going here – talking to students about the very core questions you address at the beginning of your article thinking about why they are at school and trying to combat the grades only result and focus on the deeper more rounded result of true education.

This is such a huge cultural shift, I’d be interested to hear the voice of employers in this conversation but I fear that they are results driven too and so the workplace perpetuates schools

[Ruth Participant]

That’s great. I have an MYP meeting after school on Wednesday 23rd. I wonder if we can be amazing efficient and get together, for initial thoughts before that. I am very aware of the two bank holidays coming but happy to be flexible especially with time zones. I know Matt is in Europe but we may also have Zanele Mnguni from HK if we can co-ordinate. (Sorry I don’t know how to tag people on this forum)

I have capacity tomorrow and on Tuesday 22nd and Wednesday 23rd

Is anyone else interested initially? I thought it would make sense for us to get started and then I thought I’d ask the wider LinkedIn community if anyone on there would be interested.

Ruth

[Ruth Participant]

Hi Matt,

As I understand it the ATLs will still apply across the DP as they do in the MYP, the changes may not be immediately reflected in the program but as you already have experience of the MYP you will have lots to add I’m sure and I would hope that what we think about will be applicable to the DP anyway. Do join, at the moment this feels like a very select group!

[Ruth Participant]

Good morning all,

I thought it might be helpful to see if there is any interest in a group to discuss the IB’s Beta Enhancement to the MYP https://pds.ibo.org/Prototype10MYPBeta-EN/#/page/6716088d3cda1e4028a385f8

One of the biggest changes it to cut the 140 ATL list radically. Matt Rose and I had planned to talk about this and I am also hoping to connect to Zanele Mnguni on the same topic.

I wonder if there are any other IB Librarians who might be interested in working collectively on this – ideally we’d be able to formulate something we can share back to the IB and maybe loose the Big 6 from their new plan…

Please let me know if anyone is interested in this and I will try and arrange a meeting – time zones permitting

[Ruth Participant]

Thank you both for your thoughtful and thought provoking replies.

I will tackle the IB, this is BETA testing after all and the IB inspectors who visited us for our 5 year review were certainly interested in FOSIL. Maybe Matt Rose and I can make a start and other IB Librarians can join us. If there is anyone else working with he MYP who would be interested in pursuing this with the IBO do say. I might start a fresh post on the Forum so that this is seen more widely and we can collate material and comments in one place. Darryl, have you ever managed to have any productive conversations with the IB about this, Anthony Tilke was the leader of my Level 3 IB training and I found him to be very open, I don’t think I’ve seen him here? Is he engaged with FOSIL?

Darryl, it is to try and resolve the same approach to the EE that you discussed that I decided to run the induction project. We have cohort after cohort who seek answers rather than  taking a stance of wonder. I am sure that we can support this long term by making alterations lower down the school but this push at the start of year 12 seems like a necessary intervention particularly after GCSE.

Jenny, thank you so much. The idea of asking the students to become parliamentary researchers is excellent. I suspect we might even have a parent who could come and speak to them about this work, they will find it far easier to focus with that approach. The UK government has some excellent material produced by the Knowledge Exchange Unit available on their website. I take your point about the issue of briefing papers proposing a solution but I also remember carrying out research for lawyers as a Legal Librarians, often we were asked to find information, broad and reliable, from which the lawyers would draw conclusions. It is this open and curious research that I am hoping for and I think if I can design a research proforma which will provide a space for students to showcase their results then I will have a new focus for this project.

I might consider grouping them by subject area and asking them to present. I am keen to find an element of oracy practice in this project, part of my difficulty is the shear number of students, we do not have time to hear them all individually. Potentially we could ask them to present to parents at the sixth form open evening. This could take the form of an exhibition with parents primed with a selection of questions pulling in form the skills we want students to have developed or concerning the resources we want them to use. Another possibility might be through their ToK lessons, to use that opportunity to question their research.

[Ruth Participant]

For those who were interested in the IB ATL mapping project I have just spent and interesting hour with our MYP Coordinator looking at the BETA Enhanced MYP (available here https://pds.ibo.org/Prototype10MYPBeta-EN/#/menu/6716088b3cda1e4028a382f4 if you have My IB login). It seems to be a sensible simplification of the program including a pairing down of ATLs.

Those ATLs now listed under Research are only as shown in the attached screenshot and provide a brilliant space for FOSIL in place of the ‘The Big 6’. I wonder if we can work with the IBO to make this change?

Our MYP co-ordinator is really excited by these changes and by the opportunity to use FOSIL at this stage. I feel slightly nervous, and maybe someone can help me, in thinking that putting the FOSIL cycle inside an ATL called Research is the wrong way round. I am not sure this is entirely clear, my thinking feels fuzzy on this but I think that research is part of Inquiry and I feel uneasy about the order of things here.

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[Ruth Participant]

Good morning Darryl,

Thanks to the ‘subscribe funtion+’ I am finally back in touch with the forum.

As ever, I couldn’t agree more. I think if we all sang the song that ‘a school librarian “is a teacher whose subject is learning itself” ‘, if library schools taught us with that in mind and if schools employed us on that basis this would be an exciting educational environment to be part of.

I am still working/struggling to balance the admin task with this kind of developmental, higher level work. I long to work with a team of library staff, a team that can fulfill all the tasks of a school library from the mundane to the exploratory.

[Ruth Participant]

Hi everyone,

I have yet to catch up with this conversation fully I’m afraid. (thanks for the tip about subscribing, that will help me hugely)

However, I wanted to share this quote from The Department for Education’s GenAI in Education Summary of Responses to their Call for Evidence.   (Thanks to Elizabeth Hutchinson for sharing)

‘The most requested training topics were basic digitalliteracy, AI literacy, safe and ethical GenAI use, alignment of GenAI with goodpedagogical practice, and how to prepare for GenAI’s impact on the skills students willneed as they enter an AI-enabled workforce.’ (Pg.30)

‘The most requested guidancetopics were addressing academic malpractice, safe and ethical use, and data privacy and protection.’ (Pg 30)

This makes me want to sing and cry. This is Librarians and our expertise, are we in these conversations at DfE level, with EduTech or others thinking at this level? I was very sad to see no Libraians on the panel for Ai in Education

Of course it is possible that I am working in a small world and have’t raised my head to see who’s doing what. Are we involved and if not how can we have our voices and experience heard?

Surely this is our momnet, the time when we can truely demonstrate the value of a Librarian beyond reading for pleasure. I am lucky in my school to have been asked by the Head to start the school’s working party on AI (Yes, we are a way behind others, but still), my voice is heard among SLT, and all our Key IB staff but this is tiny scale,

How can we make our voice heard in this arena? Maybe I’ll ask GenAI.

[Ruth Participant]

Thanks Darryl, notifications for this forum come to my school email address and I can only read that using my school laptop so I didn’t see this post.

Matt,

I am working on a slightly different iteration of Darryl’s map which I am very happy to share when I have finished. It is my holiday project to keep filling it in and adding comments to suggest what the skill might look look at each level. I have added a screen shot here – our systems make it very hard to share a doc externally so I will wait until it is more complete but I am very happy to take feedback or comments.

 

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1. Mapp-screen-shot.docx

[Ruth Participant]

Good afternoon and thanks to all for opening this conversation

I am so pleased to read this thread and find that not only did it cement the conversation that Elizabeth and I had had but it also reinforces much of my thinking. This is the basis on which I had been working without really realising and now I feel reinvigorated and more able to explain my position to staff.

As you know we are and IB school and I work with the 3 year MYP and DP programs and I am using Darryl’s ATL/FOSIL map and combining it with our curriculum to support the explicit teaching of ATL at our school. I had been battling with how to explain the value of FOSIL in this situation but this has bought clarity to my thinking.

I need to keep the idea of ‘stance’ in my mind. I certainly feel like that kind of Librarian but sometimes that gets lost in the day to day of the library and while I find this kind of work extremely stimulating and rewarding it it is not always the easiest part of my job to prioritise. One of the sadnesses of working in isolation is that these conversations only happen online, in writing, where I’m not in my natural habitat. Thanks so much to Elizabeth for her membership, I do have the opportunity to have these conversations in person which is very useful and has brought me back here.

[Ruth Participant]

Thank you for posting these. Although I couldn’t be there in person I really appreciate the opportunity to hear what was presented.

Thank you,

Ruth

[Ruth Participant]

Good morning all,

I’ve been thinking about this article, and your comments, for a few days. I agree with Elizabeth that there is capacity for this at some stages of UK schooling but in my experience even our primary schools are so tied to sats that they struggle to move away from drilling data into children.

I spent yesterday morning in Inset training with my school who are focusing on a new ‘school vision’ with a post covid lilt – Re-connect, Re-engage. A significant part of the morning was spent talking about how, in years 7-9 we have an opportunity to run interdisciplinary units and what those might be. This arises in our school, as a consequence of running the IB’s middle years program which seeks liberal education at all stages and seems to work best in project based, inquiry focused teaching.

However enthusiastic the teachers are about this and about a similar approach in the 6th form for the Diploma students, they all agree that we have a gap to breach at GCSE where we are simply cramming facts again. I love working in an IB school for this reason, the opportunity to look at the interdisciplinary units and work with teachers to embed Fosil and implant the IB’s research skills  (attitudes to learning) is really engaging. I am aware I am all talk, I still struggle to get beyond the Library admin and find enough teacher facing time to enact any plans. I do think that simply being included in Inset has to be a step forward.

I really can’t see how a UK education without the IB could be liberal in the sense the article talks about. Such a sea change is required to move away from the national curriculum and a culture of ever increasing tests, to embrace a skills based, inquiry led education and I do not sense a hunger for it or an understanding or it beyond a very small number of people in my echo chamber. I am not pessimistic but the authors are clearly struggling to implement this in higher education in the US, I suspect Elizabeth is right, it is many years away here.

Ruth

[Ruth Participant]

As a school we are working through the consultation for the school plan 2026, the vision for the next 5 years of education. Staff have been asked for comments and given the opportunity to take part in discussions that are intended to help form the vision for the next 5 years. I saw this as an opportunity to suggest that we embed FOSIL.

One of the questions we were asked is ‘If you were choosing a school for your child in 2030 what would it look like’. This made me smile because my comment when I heard about Darryl’s move to Blanchelande College was that I would choose a school because it had implemented FOSIL across the board.

In the presentation we were asked to consider the OECD’s future of Education and Skills 2030 project. If you haven’t come across this it is well worth investigating. Central to the explanation is the Learning Compass (OECD, 2018) which they describe as giving the students ‘agency; the capacity to set a goal, reflect and act responsibility to effect change. To act rather than be acted upon.’

Data and digital literacy is one of three core foundations and the whole compass of competencies is developed through a ‘cyclical learning process; anticipating, acting and reflecting’ (AAR). I wonder if this is beginning to sound familiar? Apologies if I’m teaching my grandmother to suck eggs but I didn’t come across any other mention of this on the forum.

The Anticipation part of this process is going further than Connect. ‘Anticipation requires more than just asking questions; it involves projecting the consequences and potential impact of doing one thing over another, or of doing nothing at all’ (OECD, 2019) which gave me cause to question whether this is a development of connect or something broader. Are we asking for a level of anticipation when students connect? Should they be anticipating outcomes or is this in danger of narrowing their inquiry? I like the idea of anticipation, particularly if it conscious, that is to say that part of the connect process is to exercise conscious anticipation and consider what students anticipate as being the outcome of their inquiry and how that might influence their investigation.

AAR is designed for a wider approach to education than teaching based inquiry, it seems to be an approach to action across students’ lives ‘A key aspect of the anticipation phase of the AAR cycle is the ability not just to respond to current events but to anticipate future events’ (OECD, 2019). However, it seems that there is a connection to be nurtured here and obvious parallels to be drawn.

The OECD state that the AAR cycle is a catalyst for the development of student agency ‘… defined as the capacity to set a goal, reflect and act responsibly to effect change. It is about acting rather than being acted upon; shaping rather than being shaped; and making responsible decisions and choices rather than accepting those determined by others.’ This idea brought to mind the discussions, held elsewhere on the forum, about ‘FOSIL is Learning by finding out for yourself (not by yourself, which suggests minimal or no guidance and/ or interventions’ (Toerien, 2021). I think there is a connection here; the agency to find out by yourself, to effect a change in your knowledge rather than having that change imposed upon you by a teacher who tells students rather than leads them to inquire.

I will certainly be using this as leverage, not only in my case for an apprentice (which I’ve attached here but have not had feedback on) but also as a means of influencing the school’s strategic plan and vision for 2026.

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1. The-case-for-a-Library-Apprentice.pptx

[Ruth Participant]

Thank you so much Darryl. I need to read and digest this properly and will the share the business case I write for SG (SLT) as soon as I’m happy with it.

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